Return-path:X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1992 16:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for js9b+; Tue, 24 Nov 92 16:48:37 EST Received: from kanga.fac.cs.cmu.edu by KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU id aa05541; 24 Nov 92 16:47:58 EST To: Bill Eichman Cc: angst+@CMU.EDU, Thomas_Price@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: technoapartheid In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Nov 92 05:33:52 EST." <6i5kuB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 16:47:38 EST Message-Id: <5538.722641658@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Thomas_Price@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU >>BRUSSELS-The new order taking shape in the world today is not the one >>imagined by obsolete statesmen of the Cold War era-that of nation-states >>weighing in on a new global balance of power. Rather, a high-tech >>archipelago of affluent, hyperdeveloped city-regions is evolving amid a sea >>of impoverished humanity. Transnational business firms, in their ceaseless >>pursuit of new customers, are creating these networks, which bypass the >>traditional nation-state framework. > >Boy, aren't mr and mrs joe blow american going to be surprised when it >finally dawns on them that they've been pushed into a permanent >underclass status. They'll pray and pray for their jesus to save them, >but god, as always, looks on in benign disregard, standing behind those >with the largest artillery. > >I know, I'm a hopelessly bitter cynic when it comes to this, but I have >looked and looked for signs of hope, and I see nothing. Most people are >astronomically, cosmically, almost infinitely _stupid_. They will try to >kill you, or hurt you, or disenfranchise you if you try to warn them, or >even talk openly about the dangerous future. I spent the weekend thinking about my apocalyptic predictions based on AIDS/overpopulation/ecosystemic degradation, and now feel better. I have noticed the following: 1) it is possible to surround oneself completely with detailed, accurate information about the many ways in which everything is going inexorably to hell. 2) it is possible to surround oneself completely with detailed, accurate information about many surprising ways in which things are *working* and good ideas are being put into practice and technology is being used for decentralized self-government etc. etc. and there is more energy and resource material for good in the world than ever before. What to do? Insight: the serious information from #1 up there is mostly happening in a global scale. The serious information from #2 is mostly happening on regional and local levels. Conclusion: The big picture will crash, but there will be some golden regions. We shouldn't rule out the idea of packing ourselves and all our peers into, say, Vermont, if it looks like that state is going to make it all right. The point I'm making is that while we're planning autonomy, we should keep a sharp eye out for larger communities which could use our help and can be expected to. Now the down-side of the weekend's counsels: it was pointed out to me that my seemingly pessimistic expectation of world population falling by 1/2 was silly; when things break in a big enough way everything goes into free-fall. The Mayans were brought to my attention: an empire with a basically technological foundation (irrigation, terracing) in which things went wrong and the population fell 90% in two generations, followed by four hundred years of little farming villages. HOWEVER we'll have more hope of rebounding, as the general educational level (literacy, etc.) will be higher and it will be much easier to save the knowledge necessary for advanced civilization. We'll need to rebuild the wheels but we won't have to re-invent them. Of course, this is all just the best-case scenario of the worst-case scenario. (!!??) Tom Price ***************************************************************************** tp0x@cs.cmu.edu | heaven and earth regard the 10,000 things as straw dogs ***************************************************************************** plutoniumsurveillanceterroristCIAassassinationIranContrawirefraudcryptology prev message next message