Return-path:X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl) ID ; Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Sep 1992 10:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl; Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:18:01 EDT Received: from kanga.fac.cs.cmu.edu by KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU id aa08896; 11 Sep 92 10:17:34 EDT To: Bill Eichman Cc: +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl@ANDREW.CMU.EDU, Thomas_Price@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU Subject: Re: Hard Head In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:19:26 EDT." <4u6wqB2w165w@hogbbs.scol.pa.us> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 10:17:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8892.716221034@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU> From: Thomas_Price@KANGA.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU >What I want to talk about are methods for acheiving greater degrees of >freedom and independence from the 'dominant society', the megacorp/ >megagov rigid and centralized society. Practical plans that will give us >the power to live a high quality life with as much of the benefits of >modern civilization as possible, but with enormously greater freedom in >lifestyle. I want to be out of the rat race, yet have the tools and >information I want for my studies, artwork, and creative needs. Me too! Here's a method: make economics as irrelevant to your life as possible. Live as close to the bone as you can. (Who here has read _Walden_? Good! Absolutely indispensable to any American who wants to think about society.) If you can live on $5000 per year, you win. What incredible freedom! Check out this budget: Income: $14,000 per annum Outgo: $4,000 taxes $5,000 savings $2,800 housing/utilities $ 600 food $1,600 misc This is quite workable; I'm living on it now. In ten years at this rate that's $50,000 saved; presuming that it can be invested at a %10 return rate, it provides an investment income sufficient to satisfy my needs for housing, food, utilities, and miscellaneous (books, motorcycle insurance, etc.). In ten years I could retire abroad; in fifteen years, I could retire to a rural area of this country, either to live peacefully, more or less by myself, or to cooperate with others in a group situation. And, supposing that the world banking system collapses, or something goes wrong -- I can still survive on between five and nine thousand dollars per year, easily obtained through part-time employment. The financial aspects of this lifestyle are not the interesting ones. The really interesting aspects of this lifestyle are the ones of internal discipline. To live like this requires a certain amount of focus, a topic to which I hope to return later. >Start small-- think in hundreds and small thousands. Don't touch >anything that costs more than 2500 to start, and don't start it with >money that you _Must_ have to pay bills or keep obligations-- never >trust the business gamble. Try small scale, I just had to quote this part of Bill's post. Try smaller even! Quoting Thoreau from memory, about the local farmers: "They solve the problem of getting their living by a process more complicated than is necessary; to get their shoelaces they speculate in herds of cattle." He identified what he needed, and it was a smaller list than that of the Midnight Engineering dude (phone, mail, etc.): Food, Shelter, Heat. He got it by working steadily for six weeks of half-days in the summer, and a few odd jobs and fishing during the rest of the year. That was it! And, of course, he had Homer on his desk, and other library books, and his own writing to do. As well his real work: attitude. Thoreau was an attitude researcher and a writer and that's why he hit on the scheme of maximizing time and freedom above all else. I'm reminded of some comments he made about how much of a mistake it was to domesticate animals -- he wasn't so sure that the oxen didn't get the better part of the deal; in return for their labors the farmer and his helpers had to spend six weeks of the year in harvesting and preparing hay for the winter, and that's a lot of hard work over and above everything else they had to do, maintaining the barn, etc. Whereas our boy Henry, by attending to only his own needs, was able to hoe everything himself. This offers some insight to Nathaniel Hawthorne shoveling shit at Brook Farm: the different components of Brook Farm were not self-sufficient. There was the school and the publishing and then the Farm itself, and the financial drain of the building projects. Whenever losses were felt and the budget wasn't met the failure bled from one part of the outfit to the next: the Farm was called upon to show a profit to compensate, for instance. This, then, impacted the lifestyles of the members of the venture. The Brook Farmers made what I would call here a misconceptualization: they visualized a structure and tried to get _it_ running, and towards the end people were getting burnt out because they had to sacrifice their lifestyles to the structure. Thoreau decided that his attitude, his spirit, and the quality of his existence were the most important things and he subjected everything to them -- his lifestyle was the whole _point_. No burnout was possible. One last thing I'm thinking of. Two names come up again and again in my reading: Bill Mollison, the Australian "Permaculture" theorist, and some Japanese guy who wrote a book called "One Straw Gardening" which is a system of farming that requires you do do as little as possible. Essentially, once you've got it going, all you do is go and gather the food you need when it's ripe. So imagine this: a bunch of people living together as vegans, all of whom know what they are interested in -- mainly matters of the spirit and intellect, so there's focus and discipline and a lack of interest in extraneous activities which dissipate resources -- and they're living communally, which means they've bought a home and land in a semi-rural area such that they're all paying, on the mortgage, no more than they'd been paying for rent before (see budget above) with the important difference that that money isn't going anywhere but is an _investment_, holy cow, which they will get back eventually, and they have a big vegetable garden which provides a lot of their needs. And they have _serious_ free time. And, there's no need to be entirely self-sufficient! Some of these people -- PhD's! -- work part-time in a *hardware store in town*, for crying out loud, because that privides them with the highest income/hassle ratio! Oops, I'm getting ahead of myself. I'll get back to this little dream of a rural ashram; right now I'll just summarize with the observation that on one level the message of Walden can be summarized as: think of everything you achieve in your life as part of a gain/hassle ratio; don't neglect to take into account what you have to spend on it, and remember that thinking is the most precious thing you can spend. Life is short and your neurons can only fire a finite number of times. Make them count. >It is The American Dream to be self-employed, to be a successful >entrepreneur. It is The American Reality that most people spend their >lives in jobs they either actively hate or grimly acept, held in bond >servitude by the weight of their debt, which keeps them chained in place >just as effectively (for most) as a gun in the back. "He who does not eat need not work." -- Henry David Thoreau >"Our type" of people can counteract this 'Reality' by trying, as hard as >possible, to master the hard craft of entrepreneurialism from as early >an age as possible. Complementarily, we can start working on our attitudes such that we contain complete culture within ourselves and are therefore need not consume the stimulation of society with its attendant ills, but rather can thrive in a very open-ended situation of large to complete freedom. This message is very lengthy -- let me send it and start another. 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