Return-path:X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl) (->angst+camc@cmu.edu) ID ; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 20:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 9 Apr 1993 20:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (5.54/3.15) id for +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl; Fri, 9 Apr 93 20:24:15 EDT Received: from dms.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26279; Thu, 8 Apr 93 23:27:23 PDT Received: from curly.agames.com by agames.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11463; Thu, 8 Apr 93 23:00:02 PDT Received: from epikt.agc.com by curly.agames.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08292; Thu, 8 Apr 93 23:00:14 PDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 93 23:00:14 PDT From: dms!curly!grigsby@netcom.com (Spiral Death Trap) Message-Id: <9304090600.AA08292@curly.agames.com> To: +dist+/afs/andrew/usr/js9b/Public/camc.dl@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Back -- Pardon Our Dust I get occasional pings from folx here but haven't said anything, but thought I should since I've been thinking about and doing some stuff. The more I thought about What's Wrong With What's Going On Now, the more I look at the nuclear family as the doom of humans. The separation of people into tiny groups forces many things to happen, most bad. 1) Children are limited tremendously in their experience when growing up, in the time when the human brain is most capable of learning and assimilation. Life at home means contact with as few as zero people one's own age, and the total entrustment of one's life to two people who often don't really have a clue. Later, the inability of two people to provide guidance means that you get shipped off to school, e.g. obedience training, to be socialized. We all know what is learned in school: that authority is not to be questioned, unthinking obedience to arbitrary rules is good, creative thought is almost always bad, and the kids who get big fastest get to dominate (age classification is almost as arbitrary as hair color for measuring maturity level in a kid's growth.) Plus, getting all your behavior patterns from two people gives us a very narrow view of life and the world. 2) Fragmentation forces everyone to duplicate the possessions and holdings of everyone else in order to maintain an interesting level of comfort, making more work necessary to attain the same level than if things were shared. 3) Social interaction is allowed only in the framework of consumption (i.e. going out to eat, to a "club", to a movie, etc.) since the activities available at "home" are so limited by 2) above. 4) Therefore, we can only assuage our loneliness through consumption, perpetuating the system that causes it. Have kids, go back to 1). Tribal life can address these problems. Think: for hundreds of thousands of years past until the advent of large-scale agriculture (with which most history books START and call "The Great Leap Forward" -- more brainwashing) the usual social context of people was the small tribe. I think that most of the larger-scale problems in Western civilization (?) can be traced to the breakdown of the tribal context and the looking to higher authority of church, state, etc. It figures, then, that this unit would be the most natural and satisfying context for us to live in. Tribes also have their disadvantages: it is easy to have a dominating, hierarchical power structure that makes life in a dictatorship seem free and easy. The need to be alone and different must also be respected, and the line between tribal loyalty and xenophobia or pillage can be hard to draw. These problems are surmountable, however: those of the nuclear family are not, if our goal is to lead lives containing ecstasy as well as comfort. Life is painful when you can't trust anyone beyond your immediate family, and often not even them. This screed is a bit disorganized, but I figure people can sort it out. Big influences on my thinking recently have been Bob Black, the May '68 Paris revolutionaries, Terence McKenna, Guy Debord, Olaf Stapledon, R. A. Lafferty, and others. So who else is still here? Has everyone boinged off to someplace unreachable? // g prev message next message